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	<title>Comments on: Home Wind Turbines for Under $3,200 Installed?!</title>
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		<title>By: Kathie Norfleet</title>
		<link>http://www.greenovationtv.com/2009/06/home-wind-turbines-for-under-3200k-installed/comment-page-1/#comment-850</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathie Norfleet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 01:04:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Palm Springs/Morongo Basin in California I had the pleasure of seeing some of the first wind turbine&#039;s operating in the desert, while I lived there.  I used to drive on the road next to the acres of windmills and think some day I&#039;m going to have one of those on my property - saving me lots of money and the country&#039;s energy.  Today I could and would do that if I could afford to. I see that this wind turbine is very reasonable and because I am intrigued to look into this at the local ACE Hardware, I could possibly begin saving $$$ today! Thanks for the post and video.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Palm Springs/Morongo Basin in California I had the pleasure of seeing some of the first wind turbine&#8217;s operating in the desert, while I lived there.  I used to drive on the road next to the acres of windmills and think some day I&#8217;m going to have one of those on my property &#8211; saving me lots of money and the country&#8217;s energy.  Today I could and would do that if I could afford to. I see that this wind turbine is very reasonable and because I am intrigued to look into this at the local ACE Hardware, I could possibly begin saving $$$ today! Thanks for the post and video.</p>
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		<title>By: Christina Snyder, architect</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christina Snyder, architect</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 16:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beware all wind generators on short towers (shorter than surrounding trees &amp; buildings) and especially rooftop mounts. Buildings not structurally designed to have a windmill mounted to them should never be subjected to those stresses - the building can be damaged, and the vibrations from the windmill telegraph through the structure making the windmill much louder than if you simply mounted it on a tower adjacent to the building. The physics of windpower is that energy generated is proportional to the CUBE of the windspeed, so locations close to the ground have dismal performance - it is like buying solar collectors and installing them in the shade. The energy ratings the manufacturer gives are meaningless if not given with the windspeed that the power output is measured at. There is no government regulations requiring manufacturers to report power production at a standard speed so you could compare turbine performance more easily, nor any requirements for testing by a government agency before the products can be sold. 

While I&#039;ve not thoroughly investigated Honeywell&#039;s offering, as an architect who designs zero energy homes I have looked into the microturbines in my state that make similar glowing claims, and I encourage everyone to do their homework to get actual performance data from NREL, and to go with established renewable energy manufacturers &amp; installers who&#039;ve got a couple of decades of experience and have stuck with the business through the famine times and aren&#039;t just showing up now at the feeding trough for the gov&#039;t stimulus feast. The last time there was major gov&#039;t funding for renewables in the 1970&#039;s there were a lot of startup businesses making shoddy products that went out of business or production shortly thereafter, and we are seeing a repeat of that trend now.

In my state there have been two new businesses manufacturing microturbines like this who&#039;ve been getting gov&#039;t funding from the stimulus $ due to their ability to create manufacturing jobs, but apparently the state either didn&#039;t do their homework or doesn&#039;t consider performance a requirement for funding, because one manufacturer hasn&#039;t been 3rd party tested, and the other discontinued the National Renewable Energy Lab testing they paid $thousands for, because the results were so far below their claims and the test model was continually vibrating loose its fasteners and falling apart. Both report their power performance based on high windclass speeds that only occur on less than 5% of the state&#039;s landmass at heights that are at least 30 feet above the surrounding trees (many trees in our wooded state are 60-80 feet tall). They base their payback info on their power production at these rated windspeeds, which 99% of the homeowners will never see on the tiny pole mounts and roof mounts that the companies provide. Actual data-monitored performance of the devices at the low urban mounted locations the companies have been installing at indicates payback would take 30 years or more, assuming no further investments of $ are needed to keep it running, which is a totally unrealistic assumption given what was seen in the NREL testing. Since most turbines need maintenance every 3-5 years to stay running, including likely parts replacements in 30 years, its possible that some of these microturbines might never achieve payback. While I live with and recommend renewable energy to my clients, it is critical to design RE to fit your needs and use time-tested products with system design and installation done by installers with decades of experience in your climate. And always maximize your investments in efficiency improvements (which will pay back much faster) before you spend money on energy generation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beware all wind generators on short towers (shorter than surrounding trees &amp; buildings) and especially rooftop mounts. Buildings not structurally designed to have a windmill mounted to them should never be subjected to those stresses &#8211; the building can be damaged, and the vibrations from the windmill telegraph through the structure making the windmill much louder than if you simply mounted it on a tower adjacent to the building. The physics of windpower is that energy generated is proportional to the CUBE of the windspeed, so locations close to the ground have dismal performance &#8211; it is like buying solar collectors and installing them in the shade. The energy ratings the manufacturer gives are meaningless if not given with the windspeed that the power output is measured at. There is no government regulations requiring manufacturers to report power production at a standard speed so you could compare turbine performance more easily, nor any requirements for testing by a government agency before the products can be sold. </p>
<p>While I&#8217;ve not thoroughly investigated Honeywell&#8217;s offering, as an architect who designs zero energy homes I have looked into the microturbines in my state that make similar glowing claims, and I encourage everyone to do their homework to get actual performance data from NREL, and to go with established renewable energy manufacturers &amp; installers who&#8217;ve got a couple of decades of experience and have stuck with the business through the famine times and aren&#8217;t just showing up now at the feeding trough for the gov&#8217;t stimulus feast. The last time there was major gov&#8217;t funding for renewables in the 1970&#8217;s there were a lot of startup businesses making shoddy products that went out of business or production shortly thereafter, and we are seeing a repeat of that trend now.</p>
<p>In my state there have been two new businesses manufacturing microturbines like this who&#8217;ve been getting gov&#8217;t funding from the stimulus $ due to their ability to create manufacturing jobs, but apparently the state either didn&#8217;t do their homework or doesn&#8217;t consider performance a requirement for funding, because one manufacturer hasn&#8217;t been 3rd party tested, and the other discontinued the National Renewable Energy Lab testing they paid $thousands for, because the results were so far below their claims and the test model was continually vibrating loose its fasteners and falling apart. Both report their power performance based on high windclass speeds that only occur on less than 5% of the state&#8217;s landmass at heights that are at least 30 feet above the surrounding trees (many trees in our wooded state are 60-80 feet tall). They base their payback info on their power production at these rated windspeeds, which 99% of the homeowners will never see on the tiny pole mounts and roof mounts that the companies provide. Actual data-monitored performance of the devices at the low urban mounted locations the companies have been installing at indicates payback would take 30 years or more, assuming no further investments of $ are needed to keep it running, which is a totally unrealistic assumption given what was seen in the NREL testing. Since most turbines need maintenance every 3-5 years to stay running, including likely parts replacements in 30 years, its possible that some of these microturbines might never achieve payback. While I live with and recommend renewable energy to my clients, it is critical to design RE to fit your needs and use time-tested products with system design and installation done by installers with decades of experience in your climate. And always maximize your investments in efficiency improvements (which will pay back much faster) before you spend money on energy generation.</p>
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		<title>By: Domestic Wind Turbines Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.greenovationtv.com/2009/06/home-wind-turbines-for-under-3200k-installed/comment-page-1/#comment-644</link>
		<dc:creator>Domestic Wind Turbines Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 10:38:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This turbine does seem like a big improvement over other turbines. One thing that concerns me is that it is marketed as being ideal for roof installation. According to a recent study by the Energy Saving Trust, turbines mounted on roofs experienced severely hampered performance. Large numbers of disappointed customers is bad for the whole micro wind power sector.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This turbine does seem like a big improvement over other turbines. One thing that concerns me is that it is marketed as being ideal for roof installation. According to a recent study by the Energy Saving Trust, turbines mounted on roofs experienced severely hampered performance. Large numbers of disappointed customers is bad for the whole micro wind power sector.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://www.greenovationtv.com/2009/06/home-wind-turbines-for-under-3200k-installed/comment-page-1/#comment-452</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 19:00:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks!  I&#039;ll correct it now.  Don&#039;t you hate it when that happens?  Appreciate the heads up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks!  I&#8217;ll correct it now.  Don&#8217;t you hate it when that happens?  Appreciate the heads up.</p>
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		<title>By: t.e.h.</title>
		<link>http://www.greenovationtv.com/2009/06/home-wind-turbines-for-under-3200k-installed/comment-page-1/#comment-450</link>
		<dc:creator>t.e.h.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 18:09:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yeah, well $3,200k where k = 1000 yields $3,200,000 or 3.2 Million dollars. I think you need to correct this. IN Europe the comma and the period are reversed and it would mean $3.2k, but then why have the trailing 00 in there? Hmmmmmm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah, well $3,200k where k = 1000 yields $3,200,000 or 3.2 Million dollars. I think you need to correct this. IN Europe the comma and the period are reversed and it would mean $3.2k, but then why have the trailing 00 in there? Hmmmmmm.</p>
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